Is this a good idea?

[ponder]

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/92/36.php
Unions were good once upon a time. But this is over the top if you ask me. Can you imagine if the YMCA was unionized?

[Ratboy]

It's not a good idea if Obama has any plans to bring jobs back. The greedy unions are the reason companies have sent so many jobs overseas.

[Shanni]

I think the conception of organized workers was a great idea, now it's just ridiculous what you can get away with at work and not be fired.

[odon11]

I think there should be more unions. In the "right to work" states the employers can get away with whatever they want and fire people on whim. Even if you go to work every day and do your job perfect, you can still be fired. That's not right at all.

[awesome]

Looks at UAW, they have killed the goose to get the golden egg.

What is even more offensive is that the Big 3, are seeking bailout dollars, which will go right into the union coffers.

Then again, health insurance for all those guys, aint cheap.

[patmlaw]

I think the conception of organized workers was a great idea, now it's just ridiculous what you can get away with at work and not be fired.

Right! With union protection you can get away with just about anything. It rewards the lazy, incompetent employees.

On the other hand, I've seen good workers get fired over the smallest infraction simply because the supervisor didn't personally like them, all the while looking the other way when more serious things happen with employees they like.

But I have enough deductions taken from my paycheck. I cannot afford union dues on top of it. It starts out small, then they can raise the dues and there isn't much you can do about it.

[Ratboy]

I think there should be more unions. In the "right to work" states the employers can get away with whatever they want and fire people on whim. Even if you go to work every day and do your job perfect, you can still be fired. That's not right at all.

That's what unemployment insurance is for.

No one has a "right" to a job. When you work for someone you are the employee, they are the boss.
Awe, gee. Sorry the world's not fair.

[odon11]

I think there should be more unions. In the "right to work" states the employers can get away with whatever they want and fire people on whim. Even if you go to work every day and do your job perfect, you can still be fired. That's not right at all.

That's what unemployment insurance is for.

No one has a "right" to a job. When you work for someone you are the employee, they are the boss.
Awe, gee. Sorry the world's not fair.

Not all states give unemployment to people who are fired.
So you think it's great that employers can use you and toss you out for no good reason?
Maybe it's better to be on welfare, why bother working for idiots.

[patmlaw]

In our state, if you get fired, you can only collect unemployment insurance after a long, hard legal battle, which you cannot afford if you have no job. In the meantime, you have no money coming in, no health insurance, etc. You may as well forget it and find another job.

[NEWUSER]

Not all states give unemployment to people who are fired.
So you think it's great that employers can use you and toss you out for no good reason?

Including NY! Employers can fight and stop you getting unemployment insurance. They do, however, have to have enough in your employee file (write ups and warnings) to warrant you being fired, or you have the right to go to the labor board with complaints.

[odon11]

In our state, if you get fired, you can only collect unemployment insurance after a long, hard legal battle, which you cannot afford if you have no job. In the meantime, you have no money coming in, no health insurance, etc. You may as well forget it and find another job.

In the south, that's common. Where I used to live it was the same way. If you were fired, not "laid off" you could be denied unemployment. Of course your employer could make up all kinds of reasons for firing you to prevent you from collecting.

I worked for one place that used to change our shifts on whim and not tell us. If someone didn't show up on time they got fired. Of course, if you dont have a clue your hours were changed, you wouldn't know when to show up. They also changed the rate of pay without telling us. Having a union would have prevented this type of nonsense.

[odon11]

Including NY! Employers can fight and stop you getting unemployment insurance. They do, however, have to have enough in your employee file (write ups and warnings) to warrant you being fired, or you have the right to go to the labor board with complaints.

That's true, here in NY you can appeal it if denied unemployment. But it's still a long process and you wouldn't get payments until after a hearing when it's approved. That can take months.

[patmlaw]

I worked for a short time at McDonald's. My hours would change twice in one day. You had to physically go to the restaurant to check the schedule. If you called and they gave you the wrong time, that was YOUR fault. They had me scheduled one night as a closer, then I was supposed to be there the next morning to open (about 4 hours later). I'd had enough at that point. I'd be home sleeping and wake up with a start trying to remember if I had to be at work or not. Crazy way to treat your employees and certainly NOT worth it. It's no wonder they always have the help wanted sign out.

[djfreeze]

......On the other hand, I've seen good workers get fired over the smallest infraction simply because the supervisor didn't personally like them, all the while looking the other way when more serious things happen with employees they like......

Actually had that one happen to me. Just for using a copying machine to make a copy of my information for the job. but the other worker was stealing supplies left and right.

[islesfan01]

I think the conception of organized workers was a great idea, now it's just ridiculous what you can get away with at work and not be fired.

Right! With union protection you can get away with just about anything. It rewards the lazy, incompetent employees.

On the other hand, I've seen good workers get fired over the smallest infraction simply because the supervisor didn't personally like them, all the while looking the other way when more serious things happen with employees they like.

But I have enough deductions taken from my paycheck. I cannot afford union dues on top of it. It starts out small, then they can raise the dues and there isn't much you can do about it.

the idea behind the forming "unions" was a great idea but greed and power corrupt...and now I see some Unions doing more harm then good..